Is it possible to get a Houkou for a baby, when not married

Dear all ,

i know may it is a stupid question , but i have to figure out a way how to deal with it.

My Girlfriend , chinese , is pregnant, and now we think about a solution.

1. She gets the baby and she cannot get the houkou, as every body talks about ,.....

2. She goes for abortion,....

3. We get married , for the baby....

Is it possible to take option 1 , in China,
As in other countries , like europe , it would be no problem at all.

We both , dont think about marriage now, but we want to have the baby, and live like a foreign family , with out that marriage paper.....

Thanks for your attention, please let me know if somebody has a solution for it...

Greets
Herbert[/b]

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Re: Is it possible to get a Houkou for a baby, when not married

call ur embassy asap
they ve probably dealt with this kind of situation in the past

ps. but, i wonder, if ur gf is chinese, u ll have to get married anyway, it is still illegal for a single female to have a baby ???

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Re: Is it possible to get a Houkou for a baby, when not married

thanks for your quick answer,

this is why i am asking , if there is a way to make it legal , when a foreigner is the father of a baby , from a chinese woman, ....

and they dont want to get married yet.

anyway i try to call the embassy on that issue, thx

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If your not married then you can't have the baby in a hospital or get chinese citizenship.

Also if you have any kids in your home country your child will also not be able to get chinese citizenship.

It's a pretty long pain in the ass process it took about 6months for them to process my sons and we had all the paper work ready before he was born.

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#thunder,

thanks for your comments,

did u have at that time a child from your girlfriend ( chinesese woman) , and born it in china , before marriage ?

I already checked the internet about it , but couldnt find any good solution.
Some say , you can buy a citizenship, some the best is go to Jilin, there are the regulations not so tight, the only worry at the moment we are about the papers, her family also agrees if she born the baby without our marriage yet.

If there is a way to get the papers ready by the day of birth, let me know,

Thanks , i appreciate it.

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I have a Kiwi guy friend whose gf got pregnant but they were in Shanghai. I wonder if Shanghai and BJ has the same laws on this issue as they dont seem to encounter any problem. The son is with the mother in Shanghai while father travels occasionally to visit. Son has a NZ citizenship too.

Best bet would be your embassy. SHould you come to a dead end with your embassy, let me know and I shall call my friend in Shanghai.

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How long have you been together? How old are you?
Clearly, this child isn't planned. Kids means COMMITMENT. So if you can't commit yourself to marriage, then you shouldn't even think about having kids. Keep that abortion in mind my friend.
And next time - think with your other head. Use protection.

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Wow shizo, isnt the comment a bit harsh? Moreover isn't it cruel to think of the easiest solution which is abortion? Do you know what emotional turmoil women have to go through after abortion? I have friends who has breakdown, cried whenever they see children and full of regrets. Sometimes the relationship just failed because neither party is strong enough to endure the pain.

I am speaking from experience and trust me I make THE BEST decision when I decided to have my daughter/my princess!! She is the BEST thing ever happens to me!! No matter how tired I am after a long day work, terrible traffic, her smiles and cheeky action just brighten up my life.

There will always be good and bad days but hey that is LIFE!! As long as the couple is not jobless and totally poor, I dont think ABORTION is the answer.....

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Hey, i just reminded him one of [b]his own[/b] choices. I lived in a ghetto for a while, and from what i've seen, having kids too early is a BAD idea.
You seem like a good mother and it's great that you're happy. You should also consider that this is happening in China. After their breakup (which is certain), there will be:

a) Chinese girl with a child that nobody will want (read onespryguy55's post about his wife's sister)
Cool A mixed child that will have big problems with acceptance in China (unless he/she stays within the 2nd ring road in Beijing).
c) Another foreigner who's paying child support (maybe) and hides the fact that he has a child in China.

I really hope that it doesn't not turn out like this though.

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Re: Is it possible to get a Houkou for a baby, when not married

Shizo may sound tough, but he does raise some extremely valid arguments, such as the [b]child[/b] needs commitment ...

Many years ago, my Chinese girlfriend got pregnant, and we both wanted the baby.

I could not marry her because my divorce in the homeland was not final.

The baby was born in a Chinese hospital, nobody asked to see our marriage certificate.

A few days after birth, a birth certificate was issued (again, marriage certificate was not asked for, just our identification documents), which was also accepted by the consulate as proof for citizenship purposes in my home country.

After the divorce was final, girlfriend and I got married in her home province (the "Red" booklet). We got married about a year after the baby was born. Nobody at the marriage registration office asked if we had any children.

Baby was added to her family's Hukou ... Baby was issued a Chinese passport (proof of Chinese citizenship)

We are all living happily together to this day.

This can be done, but maybe harder in Beijing than some other places in China.

Shizo may sound harsh, but I sense the underlying message of "[b]do the right thing[/b]". Sometimes the process may seem like "the long and winding road", but as long as one is on the track to doing the right thing, the results should be well worth the effort in the [b]long run[/b].

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i personally think-----having a baby or not is not only parents' thing------they need to think more for the kids------who would think a kid would like to be born in a single parent's family?---would happy to live in a broken family?---would only know who is his/her mother but his father? me,i would like to live in a complete family with papa and mama.

china is still a very traditional family moral oriented society------life would be very tough and a struggle for the child if he/she gets raised by a single parent------and "a single parent's child" is one of the heavy personal insult in chinese opinion------think more for your child pls, future father------it's not only about you and ur gf's own wish but also about ur child's future life-------if you really wanna keep this child------take him out of china------it's life---face it------we can't always expect anyone to be born to have a tough attitute and strong mind and can take more than other normal kids.

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